Keeping Alive Older Computers combats distopian take over
  • BeamerBeamer
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    Why do we bother with our Old Computers?
    This is my opinion, based on slim knowledge of how things work. Please let me know if I'm under-informed. Thanks.

    My ride is a Nissan Sentra, 2001. 
    A humble donkey.
    I keep it going, last week pouring $3000 into repairs.  Why? 
    Because I do not want a newer smart car tracking me everywhere.
    This one is fine.  It will get me through Covid, maybe to the end of my ability to drive.

    I keep my network of computer boxes likewise old.
    They are not smart.  They are not AS fast as new ones.
    They are also not built for spying on me, by uncontrollable malevolent forces and agencies.

    This is where my thinking gets fuzzy. 
    Is that really true?

    How much safer are older PC's than the new turbo jet spy machines that people PAY for.
    Powered by Google, Amazon, and God only knows who else?

    As for speed:
    My old Sony laptop, circa 2006, runs well on LXLE 16.04 still.
    Every few months, I notice how FAST my online experience is getting.
    It is even starting to feel like a Tablet.
    Why?
    My computer Specs have not changed.
    It can only be The Internet speed getting better by default.
    I pay for the slowest internet package with my provider.
    I have amazing speed on this laptop.
    Not instant like modern devices: just amazing speed compared to a few years ago.

    How fast is fast enough?
    How new is new enough?
    I lived through Dial-Up internet.
    That was a problem that needed to be solved.
    But now? 

    I think we are being duped, bushwhacked, hornswaggled, in the weirdest time of human society.
    Our computers are an essential and important defense of human liberty.
    The powers that be are smart enough to know how to control world thought through them.
    Unfortunately, that is called brainwashing, and the youngsters know neither history nor self-control nor critical thinking.

    I want my computer and software to protect my liberty and freedom.
    I want to be able to post my thoughts and ideas without censorship.
    I want social media platforms that do not censor writers who are contrary to BIG BROTHER, and all the mindless minions that riot on Big Brother's behalf.

    That is the preamble to my request to Ronnie to develop an OS that ensures our freedom and liberty as much as possible.

    Security.  Older computers.  Even the newer older computers.  I notice that Amazon REFURBISHED computers come cheap with AMAZING Specs, compared to computers I use every day.

    Which hardware is the least accessible to powerful agencies who spy on us?
    Which FOSS software combats this the best.

    How about something like this : LXLE COMBAT 2020?

    How about changing the normal mandate for LXLE to include software for the REFURBISHED computers, with greater RAM? Amazing boxes can be purchased for between $100 and $400.
    They are basically recycled boxes that escaped the landfill in 3rd world countries.
    Or should I say, that were not dumped halfway across an ocean near you - destroying the seas.

    What do you think?
















    LXLE user since 2013.
  • Mr_LinuxMr_Linux
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    I started on a Timex Sinclair 1000 PC.  If you don't know what that is, Timex made watches and they decided in the early 80's to have a go at making a home computer.  The thing was about half the size of my current keyboard, ran black on white graphics, 2K RAM but I had the 16K memory expansion!  The CPU was the Z80 microprocessor with built in BASIC. The only form of long-term storage was cassette tapes. I got this for $69 back then and that was a week's pay for me.

    We cannot hold on to everything forever.  I am all for recycling the broken and refurbishing the old to make new again.  However some stuff belongs in a museum. My prior posting (only minutes ago) explains that my nephew and I refurbish PCs give them new life and many get sold, or given to elderly or families with low incomes.

    Back in 1996, I worked for a national electronics sales retailer, that year PCs outsold Televisions.  Customers were buying 486 PCs for $900 and the cheaper 286 PCs were running about $350. This was a major investment and they wanted to know, "How long will this model last? Am I going to be told this will be obsolete next month?".  I answered them, "There is always some nerd adding something on or improving something.  Next month they might come out with cup holders and ash trays, but that is the nature of the beast.".  I explained in the most simple terms that current production was underway on 586 processors (Pentiums) that once those were available, the geeks and neckbeards would be hard at work on 686 processors.

    I play some games on my PC, I am not all work and no play.  If you are playing the latest and greatest Call of Duty online, you will need that high end gaming PC that runs the Windows 10.  But I don't play the best of best of best... I play some very mild stuff and I also play some old Windows games using WINE or DOS Box.  By old, I am talking 2000 to 2010 and not 1980's Pac Man.  All the RAM and CPU speed is driven by the needs of the gaming industry.

    Speaking as a nerd and a geek, from a programming point of view, I can see many areas where the games could be reduced in bloat.  Back from 1985 to 1995, I wrote all my programs from scratch.  There was no "add ons" or external programming required. Today programmers take short cuts by using Nvidia graphics API, PhysX, DirectX, and Steam API. Back in my days of C and Pascal, we had OOP (Object-oriented programming) a programming practice of "objects", which can contain data and code from other programs.  But most of the time, we wrote those external programs.  Today's program designer no longer needs to know the details as long as they can call out to other programs for their needs.  The whole system has become less about coding and more about linking nodes and modules to each other.

    I recommend anyone comfortable with their PC, just remain in place, until you are no longer comfortable.  When that occurs;
    • Upgrade your software first
    • Upgrade components second
    • Upgrade hardware third

    Your final option should be to replace the computer, but please find your old one a home, and don't give it to the dolphins, as they cannot use them without fingers! 


  • I'm driving myself in circles with indecision about fixing up old boxes or building one with brand new parts from Newegg, for my new business launch. Just seems like time to acquire mega ram. I know I need a good graphics card for video making, and art-making in gimp etc.  I want a motherboard that cannot be entered by any intruder.  This is where my nervousness comes in.  Is there any motherboard on the market that comes without enemy spy wear built in to a secret backdoor?  What do you think? 

    What kind of other dangers lurk? 
    LXLE user since 2013.
  • Mr_LinuxMr_Linux
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    If you feel security is an issue here are a few suggestions;

    Raspberry Pi https://www.raspberrypi.org/  makes tiny affordable PCs about the size of a pack of cigarettes. They are very cheap ($55 to $150) but what is more important, one can use it to secure a network. Here is a video tutorial about setting one up.  https://youtu.be/IV1K6N_2JeM 

    The idea is you can use the micro to filter DNS and set up a system where any tracking apps and adverts good enough to get through the router ends up blocked by a tiny micro.  These are pretty good for work areas too, my Optometrist set all his office equipment up with these micros.  The HDD is a micro SD card the only moving part is the optional fan. 

    Now if you are just running one machine 24/7, and not a bunch of other devices on a large network, you can install pi hole on any Linux software from https://pi-hole.net  be sure you do take time to absorb some video tutorials prior to installing or you could end up shutting your network down.  Please be careful with anything you choose to do with your system.

    Networking security is a multilayered system.  You can't just lock down one thing and expect it to keep out all intruders.  The NSA stated Linux is the most secure OS available to the public and they proceeded to make their own distribution.  Here is the link to their SELinux page.
     https://www.nsa.gov/What-We-Do/Research/SELinux 

    But my primary concern isn't DNS, Linux distributions, or hackers "out there" trying to get in my PC.  The apps and advertisement block were addressed by using Pi-Hole to block them, but what about the browser and online games.  Anything allowed to access the internet is a potential virtual spy inside your system.  How much can we trust Google Chrome?  It is an open source project and Chromium is available. 

    SRWare Iron is a Chrome alternative. The browser is based on the Chromium-source and offers the same features as Chrome - but without the critical points that concern the privacy of its users. 
    https://www.srware.net/iron

    In the 1990s, the lack of security on the internet and its ability to be used for tracking and surveillance was becoming clear, and in 1995, David Goldschlag, Mike Reed, and Paul Syverson at the U.S. Naval Research Lab (NRL) asked themselves if there was a way to create internet connections that doesn't reveal who is talking to whom, even to someone monitoring the network. Their answer was to create and deploy the first research designs and prototypes of onion routing.

    Tor Browser 
    https://www.torproject.org

    Using the SeaMonkey default browser on LXLE is just fine, but either of these two browsers will give you peace of mind.  That should give you some things to consider as you set up your secure system.
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  • Hardware doesn't spy on you. Software does. You can safely use the newest hardware on the market without fear of being spied on, as long as you don't use Windows 10.

    Unfortunately, it looks like AMD and Intel dropped Win7 and Win8 driver support some time around 2016, so we're stuck with Linux moving forward.
  • Mr_LinuxMr_Linux
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    True to this point, that software controls the hardware, but there has been concern that hardware companies will slip in a CPU identity reader.  When the CPUID was introduced in 1993, I recall reading a lot of conspiracy pages about the new chips with the serial numbers on the "inside".  Today, in any OS, you can see the CPU UUID with your OS;
    sudo dmidecode | grep -w ID

    Returns my CPU serial number;
    ID: A7 06 02 00 FF FB EB BF
    ID: 255
    ID: 255
    ID: 255
    ID: 255

    sudo dmidecode | grep -w UUID

    Returns my serial number unique identification code, only my PC has this unique code;

    UUID: 02CC4000-7D63-11E1-0000-E8393558991E

    That comes from the hardware and is only read by the software, or apps that could request it.  I am not that "paranoid" to believe the world is out to spy on me.  But the point is, there is plenty of hardware and software to block it these days. 

    History of the Gulf War in 1991, tells the NSA planted chips within a French printer that contained viral code and then sold or smuggled to Iraq military.  Hardware can be your bane, if someone wanted it bad enough.

    How could this feature be abused? You download an app and it reads your CPU ID then broadcasts it back to base (whoever is logging them) and you jump on Facebook  the app on there now links that CPU ID owns access to that Facebook. Now let's assume the worse, the app isn't downloaded but is on the chip itself.  The chip is broadcasting the information each and every time you go online.

    There is no question about it, hardware can be used to identify you online. But I seem to lack the ego needed to be worried that I am important enough to be spied upon.

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  • Johnny_RicoJohnny_Rico
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    During the Clinton Regimes and the feeding frenzy of mergers, I worked on some of the larger telecom / internet mergers.  It was clear that government was very interested in making sure they had a backdoor to even hardware.  Al Gore was all over vendors / chip makers to make sure backdoors were built in and government had a key.  Escrow Key, NSA Key, and so forth.  Someone let slip that Pentium III's were being built with Unique System Identifiers and the memes going around were versions of the Intel logo, but with "evil inside."  There was a vast array of illegal spying operations, such as ECHELON and later CARNIVORE and PRISM. 

    When it came to private encryption, Phil Zimmerman came up with PGP or Pretty Good Privacy, which incensed the government, and they hounded him into submission.  Decades later, Snowden would confirm a lot of this and more.

    Supposedly, SOLID, by the inventor of the WWW is supposed to restore privacy to users.  I haven't tried it, but you'll often find mention of it on the same page as TOR.
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  • Mr_Linux   ... I'm about to order up my Pi.  Your idea intrigues me. Before I do, I thought I'd ring your bell, in case you think there is something better at this time, or if you have something in mind that should be added to my Pi kit.  This is going to be fun.
    Thanks for such a great response.
    LXLE user since 2013.
  • LXLE user since 2013.
  • Pi 400 is the way to go. My nephew gifted me his Pi Zero, it is very slow to boot up. He has them all, from Pi 400 (white and red keyboard) to the PiBoy DMG (hand held) retro gaming.  I find the PiBoy amusing - but also it is shade of gray - when it comes to your ethical values of downloading ROMs.  The pi-hole software can be downloaded free to run on any Linux distro, the tiny machine can act as a DNS filter keeping out advertisements.  I find them fun to experiment with, my first home PC was a Timex back in the early 80's.  It was small but only held 2K or 16K with the RAM expansion.  You can see an old Timex in the interactive movie "Black Mirror: Bandersnatch" (2018) on NetFlix.  Have fun!
  • My first watch circa 1964 was a Timex.  Precious as gold, twas to me, hours gazing at the mind-bending technology on my wrist midst times of boredom in the classroom.  So proud I was.  Thanks for getting back to me so swiftly.  Nothing like a purposeful shopping spree to lift spirits on another day in lockdown. Pi 400 'tis.
    LXLE user since 2013.